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British summertime normally conjures up several images; long walks in the park, trips to the beach and most importantly summer festivals. One of the most exciting festivals to emerge over recent years is the Fruitstock Festival, which took place on the 5th and 6th August. The relaxed family vibe and free entry has already made it one of the London festival calendar’s highlights. The festival had yoga lessons, circus skills workshops, a farmers’ market and even a flirting tent. For the more creative, there were flower-arranging demonstrations held by the Flowers & Plants Association.
Summer is a great time to bring the outdoors in and create an oasis in your home. Using flowers that have intoxicating scents, textures and colours is a fantastic way of brightening up dull interiors. So what’s stopping more of us from creating our own colourful bouquets in our homes? Have you ever wanted to turn your hand to flower arranging but been put off because you think it’s too hard? Well, the Puppini Sisters, who were among the musical acts to perform at Fruitstock, joined the scores of people in the Flowers & Plants tent, to give it a try on the day and find out just how fun and easy it is.
The fashionable trio with a penchant for 1940s swing music were on hand showing how to combine flowers and fashion. Working with the Flowers & Plants Association, the girls made lots of fun, funky creations with flowers including bracelets, necklaces and even corsages for the waist.
This summer, instead of reaching for the remote why not grab at the chance to learn how to get creative with flowers. It’s so simple – so try it yourself! Join us and gain handy hints on how to create simple and beautiful creations to be proud of.
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Host: Murray Norton (MN)
Guest: Andrea Caldecourt (AC)
Dennis Van Wonderen (DW)
The Puppini Sisters (PS)
MN: Hi I’m Murray Norton and on behalf of the Flowers and Plant Association welcome to a beautiful summer’s day here in Regents Park for Fruitstock 2006. Come on, let’s go and join the fun.
Well those are some of the fantastic scenes right here in Regents Park at Fruitstock 2006. In the next half hour we’re going to bring you music, fun and` creative flower arranging. Andrea Caldecourt, from the Flower and Plants Association, they’ve actually teamed up with Fruitstock 2006 and they’ll be showing us everything from bracelets and bouquets, corsages, and It's Dennis Van Wonderen, he’ll be joining us as well, and he’ll be casting his eye over these wonderful flowers and telling us exactly where they all come from. The Puppini Sisters, will be live on stage then they’re going to join us for a chat later in the show. We’re also going in the VNP tent, which is the Very Nice Persons area. Obviously we’re invited, and more than that we’ll be doing a little bit of star-spotting as well. So – it’s fruity, it’s flowers, it’s fun, it’s funky, it’s Fruitstock 2006. Enjoy.
So flowers, flowers everywhere here at Fruitstock 2006 on a beautiful summer’s day in Regents Park. Everyone’s having a great time and I’m delighted to say we get to meet a special guest from the Flower and Plant Association, that’s Andrea Caldecourt. Andrea, great to see you, thanks very much for once again coming along.
AC: You’re welcome Murray.
MN: I adore this time!
AC: I know it’s nice being in the sunshine.
MN: Isn’t it great? It’s just fantastic, and in terms of the Fruitstock 2006 we’re here enjoying, have you had a chance to look around?
AC: We’ve been busy setting up but it’s been very interesting looking round seeing what’s here. It’s a very relaxed easy-going kind of show.
MN: And the venue’s a fantastic venue for showing off plants isn’t it.
AC: Particularly in weather like this it’s wonderful – brings people closer to nature.
MN: Oh well that’s what it’s all about, and indeed it is. Tell me about the connection between the Flowers and Plants Association and Fruitstock. It’s your first year of involvement?
AC: Yes it is, but Fruitstock is a very good show for us because it’s about participation, it’s about getting involved, it’s finding things to do that are hobbies and interests, and it’s getting your hands in and dirty, so it’s a really good show for getting involved with flowers.
MN: I’m guessing that people normally buy flowers and don’t get round to arranging or making the kind of things that you’ve been making.
AC: Exactly, although I think it has to be very serious and very proper, and there’s rules and regulations and what we’re saying is you can have fun with flowers, you can buy them and enjoy them, you can make yourself silly decorations or a nice bouquet that’s really quick and easy.
MN: Okay, we’ll come to the bouquet in just a few minutes but before we do, the flowers that are available – and there are lots of different flowers we have available – just take us through so of those you’ve got in front of you because…are these carnations?
AC: Yes, and most people know the spray carnations which are much smaller and come several on a stem, but these standard carnations, which is what they’re called when they just come one flower per stem, I mean they’re fabulous, they’ve got lovely colours like this lovely kind of orange and shocking pink, and there’s one that’s pure shocking pink. Deep, I mean that burgundy’s just gorgeous and this lovely magenta. So we’re just trying to show that there’s another side to carnations. And also things like the chrysanthemums here we’ve got this lovely, it’s called ‘Yoko Ono’ this variety.
MN: Oh well that’s perfect for an open-air festival isn’t it – ‘Yoko Ono’.
AC: This is bright green and this is a santini chrysanthemum, where it has several flowers per stem and this tiny little, I mean they’re really firm, if you feel that they’re like a little kind of firm button. So we’re just showing people flowers that they may know other forms of and are very common flowers, but we’re using them in fun and interesting ways.
MN: And I know this one now because you’re training has taught me.
AC: Go on then.
MN: This is the Gerbera.
AC: Yes it is.
MN: I thought you were going to say ‘no it wasn’t’ for a minute.
AC: And this particular one, he’s called Harley.
MN: A Harley Gerbera.
AC: Yes, welcome to Harley, this very deep. And this particular one is the Germini – a mini Gerbera, so it’s called a Germini and it’s much smaller and easier to work with.
MN: And these can be bent round wire and all sorts of things?
AC: Yeah, and they’re great because they’ve got no stems to take off either so they’re really easy to arrange.
MN: Okay, so we’ve got all of those – are you going to make something for us?
AC: I am, I’m going to make a small tree arrangement.
MN: A tree arrangement?
AC: A tree arrangement, we have one I’ve prepared earlier, in true cookery style, and that’s basically what we’re starting off with. This is another gorgeous Gerbera called Chateau, beautiful plumy colour. Basically you just get the three inner length, and we’ve got some bind wire here, which is like a paper with a wire up the middle. So we just cut that, and it’s really easy then to twist around. You basically just twist it together.
MN: That’s fantastic.
AC: You see, and it’s just like a little twisty wire.
MN: Okay, we’ve got that.
AC: So you’ve got that. We’ll do another one at the bottom.
MN: That’s clever.
AC: This is quite fun.
MN: Do they grow with staples in or…?
AC: Yeah, and they grow curly, exactly like that in the wild! I’m going to show you how to do this. It’s really quite straightforward. Put the knife in and then draw it away from you. Then tuck it in like this and using a basic stapler, you just go through here, and oh, it’s a lively one that one!
MN: It doesn’t want to settle down does it?
AC: The beauty of aspidistra leaves is they’re really tough to do this. I mean they’re usually called ‘cast iron’ plants, for a very good reason.
MN: Now that is really clever. And that’s Blue Peter at its finest.
AC: And it’s from a flat leaf, you’ve got a nice full round shape, so we’ll just try another one.
MN: That’s great. And this is what makes the difference isn’t it, to the bouquet really?
AC: Yeah and it’s really straightforward to do. It’s literally as, it doesn’t matter how you do, sort of arrange the curls how you fancy. Another one there, I’ll just do it.
MN: There we go, nice and secure.
AC: There we go.
MN: So those two…
AC: Yeah, we’ll just put them over here. So we just grab that tree, and then about here, I think, just put the three around, like that. Everything’s going parallel so there’s no twisting or…thank you very much my glamorous assistant!
MN: You’re welcome. See I have the talent to cut twine.
AC: And then we just twist that that way, okay, and then we twist again, like that. Just nick those ends off there, make it a bit tidy. And then what we want to do is cut the stems at an angle, always.
MN: See everyone asks about this don’t they?
AC: Yeah.
MN: You don’t get them out and bash them with a hammer and do all that nonsense?
AC: No, or slit them down, or peel them back, just cut them…
MN: Or dump them in boiling water.
AC: No, just cut them at a sharp angle like that, so we want them all about level.
MN: Yeah.
AC: And then we take this….
MN: What’s in there?
AC: This is oasis, but it’s coloured oasis.
MN: Clever.
AC: So where you might be used to the dark green one, it comes in wonderful colours, so we’ve got that red, and pinks, and yellows – really bright, and we’ve pre-soaked that and cut it to size to fit in this acrylic cube, and then basically it’s just a question of putting the whole thing in there, which will keep it fresh, like that. And then what you can do is take one of these little santini chrysanthemums.
MN: Sure.
AC: Cut the individual heads off.
MN: Is there something I can do here?
AC: Yeah, do you want to have a go? Here we go…
MN: Alright then.
AC: And what we’ll do, is we’ll just put them around to make a little creation around the bottom. So we just tuck them in, just as though they’re growing in a little field.
MN: Have a longer one. There we go. See this is looking all very artistic now, like I knew what I was doing.
AC: If we just tuck them in, there we go, does that look good?
MN: You know you’ve even got the twine to match the flowers.
AC: Of course.
MN: I noticed.
AC: So co-ordinated. I mean you can fill them in low or you can have them random but it just gives it a new fresh look, and that’s…
MN: It’s so simple. When the applause dies down from around here….that’s better. One clap on it’s own but it was worth it wasn’t it? It was fantastic, that was so easy.
AC: Yes.
MN: So easy to do, and…
AC: It’s very simple, and it looks very lively and fun and…
MN: A great table decoration. Thank you very much indeed for all of that. Dennis is going to be along a little bit later.
AC: He is, yes.
MN: Tell us about Dennis.
AC: Dennis van Wonderen. He is a Dutchman, very tall like all Dutchmen, and he has a florist’s shop in Wimbledon, and he’s been designing in the UK for about fifteen years now, and he’s going to make us some wonderful fun jewellery so we’ve got lovely armlet here, with a nice anthurium, beautiful.
MN: Anthurium.
AC: Anthurium, it’s a tropical flower.
MN: Yes.
AC: And we’ve got carnation bracelets, so they’re very quick and easy to make – just jazz up your own outfit. We’ll make you one later.
MN: Thanks, I’m really looking forward to that.
AC: Or maybe a hairclip.
MN: You know you just like dressing me up don’t you, you really do? We’ll be meeting Dennis a little bit later on. Before we do all of that though, I bet you’re wondering what’s happening, as I am, at the VNP area. The VNP area, is the Very Nice People area, that’s what we’re going to go to now. We’re going to see if we can go and find some stars around that way, and we’ll be back with Andrew a little bit later, and of course with Dennis as well. We’ll see you in the VNP area very shortly.
Elle McPherson, Hugh Grant, Samuel L Jackson, they could all be in here somewhere. This is the VNP, the Very Nice People area. Unfortunately, we’re leaving them to their privacy because we want to get back outside and enjoy ourselves with the throng. So we’ll see you back outside.
Well I told you it was very stressful all this arranging flowers, and indeed it is. Earlier on I said to you that we’d be meeting the Puppini Sisters and we will! But first, ooh, just down a bit Alison that’s, ah that’s heaven, we will be meeting the Puppini Sisters later on but first let’s see the reaction – they’re live on stage.
Well they’ve just been on stage, and what a fantastic performance it is. I’m delighted to say, joining us here at the Flowers and Plants Association we have got the Puppini Sisters. Hello.
PS: Hello.
MN: Woah, in unison as well. They sing together and they say hello together. They are dynamic. And that was a great performance, congratulations.
PS: Thank you very much.
MN: Great choice of songs. I loved Mr Sandman, but Hang the DJ – to swing? I can’t believe it!
PS: We did it at a Morrissey convention.
MN: Did it go down alright?
PS: Yeah, like a storm. We were very surprised.
MN: It’s a great show. Who chooses them? Do you come up with them?
PS: We all do. Each of us chooses one that we want to do and we arrange them individually.
MN: I have to say, although I liked I Will Survive, Hang the DJ and so many others, Heebie Geebies of course, but Mr Sandman was just meltingly gorgeous.
PS: Awww.
MN: I just loved that. Well I loved the whole thing but the whole idea, I wanted to get a microphone and go ‘Ye-es’ when Mr Sandman, because you needed the deep voice. Can you just do Mr Sandman for me; just try it, Mr Sandman.
PS: Yeah go on. [singing] Mr Sandman,
MN: Ye-es.
PS: Bring me a dream.
MN: Boom boom boom boom.
PS: Make him the cutest that I’ve ever seen.
MN: Boom boom boom boom.
PS: Give him the….This is really throwing us!
MN: I know I guess it’s wrong isn’t it! Because you do the ‘boom boom boom’s don’t you?
PS: I do the ‘boom boom boom’s.
MN: I’m sorry, no more ‘boom boom boom’s but flowers instead. We’ve got to get to the flowers. Dennis is on the end, and Dennis is making the flowers. He’s our expert on flowers.
PS: Good old Dennis.
MN: You’ve got an album coming out.
PS: It’s out. It’s out now.
MN: It’s released, it’s escaped.
PS: It’s called ‘Bet Your Bottom Dollar’.
MN: Aww lovely. Great, good, and there’s a tour?
PS: Yes, in September. Going all over the UK.
MN: Well we wish you the best with the album, and with the tour, and congratulations again, what a great performance.
PS: Thanks.
MN: Before we do anything else though, you’ve chosen a different flower arrangement. Dennis, what are you making there at the end?
DW: Well I’m making a necklace, a waistbelt and an arm bracelet. The arm bracelet’s going to be very similar to the one I’m wearing at the moment.
PS: Lovely. Which is beautiful. That’s for me.
DW: That’s for you at the end. The lady in the middle, Puppini in the middle.
PS: I’m Stephanie.
PS: I’m Marcella.
PS: I’m Kate.
DW: Marcella, that sounds Italian.
PS: It is Italian.
DW: It is Italian! Ahh, [speaks Italian}
PS: Oooh, molto bravo.
DW: I am learning how to speak Italian is what I just said. But never mind, back to the flowers. I’m basically making a waist corsage, a neck corsage and a arm corsage, and what we’re using is decorative wire. It’s aluminium wire, it’s really easy to ply, and the Puppinis have all chosen a red anthurium…
PS: To match the lipstick.
DW: Matching the lipstick, and I’ve got two designs almost ready now.
MN: I tell you what, I’ve never seen you work quite so fast, this is brilliant, this is speed arranging.
DW: This is ‘flowers in a flash’ as they say. If you could just pass me the arm bracelet at the end.
MN: I can indeed.
DW: Thank you. It’s very very popular now, we’re here with the Flowers and Plant Association and the theme at the moment for our current autumn promotion is basically ‘try it yourself’. It’s easy so try it. And that’s basically what we’re here to try and do today and you can probably see behind the Puppini Sisters is a great big audience set up.
MN: Hello audience!
DW: Hello audience, and the audience is basically waiting to make their own arrangement as part of the ‘it’s easy so try it’ campaign.
MN: Quite frankly I think they’re the worse for a bottle of Pimms at the moment but, they’re waiting for you are they Dennis?
DW: They’re waiting for me yeah.
PS: They’re a little melancholy.
MN: There’s no pressure obviously.
DW: No pressure, that’s why I’m going at as fast as I can possibly go. But we’re done now; I just need to insert them all.
MN: Whilst you’re doing that Dennis, let me just say, you girls have been touring now in London for – what, about the last year?
PS: Year and a half, we’ve been doing gigs constantly back to back.
MN: Tell me about the band behind you, because they’re a tremendous.
PS: Oh they’re great.
MN: They’re a rhythm section.
PS: We were all at music college together so…they’re brilliant.
MN: So is that really all where it got going?
PS: Yes.
MN: So who was it that had the appreciation for all the swing music to start off with?
PS: All of us! We’re all jazz musicians.
MN: Right, so it’s all borne out of your own love for that music?
PS: Yeah
PS: It feels beautiful.
DW: It’s really light and easy-wearing.
MN: You saw the film and said ‘that’s it’?
PS: Yeah, it was a combination of the music and the fashion, which drew me to it. It was the red lipsticks…
MN: Excuse me just a second. The fashion is great from the other side, but you can’t see that, the table’s in the way. It’s lovely. But that’s enough of that. Hey you’ve got yours on to start off with.
PS: It’s pretty good huh?
MN: That’s pretty good. See we’re getting necklace rage now, you want one?
DW: If you could just step back, just a tad – you’re being fitted for this.
PS: I feel like the belle of the ball.
MN: As you walk back through the audience for the last five minutes…
DW: Well they’ve lasted me all day so with a bit of luck they’ll last you just as long as well.
PS: Oh that’s beautiful.
MN: That looks great.
PS: Bellissimo.
DW: Bellissimo!
PS: I want my one now.
MN: My turn, my turn…
PS: Look at this.
MN: Do you very often get people saying – ‘fantastic set, here’s another number you may not have heard of’, because there’s such a catalogue isn’t there?
PS: Yeah people always kind of give us suggestions – some are better than others.
PS: Look at this, it’s quite brilliant.
MN: Well I notice even Paul Anchory’s doing contemporary tunes to swing to.
PS: Yeah.
MN: It’s very in, it’s very in! I think, can we just have all three of those paraded there? Look at those, do they not look the business?
PS: I feel like I’m on a home shopping channel.
MN: You are indeed. If you’d like to buy one of these, just phone the number at the bottom. No, all you’ve got to do is follow what’s happening with the Flowers and Plant Association. Dennis, thank you so much!
PS: Thank you.
MN: Girls thank you so much for coming along, giving us so much time. Congratulations on a great set, you’re getting everything you richly deserve.
PS: Thank you.
MN: The Puppinis – live!
Dennis van Wonderen workshop
DW: Good afternoon everybody, and welcome to the Flowers and Plant Association. We’re an organisation that basically promotes the use of flowers and plants in your own homes. We’re here today to promote our Autumn promotion which is ‘so easy, so let’s try it’ and that’s basically what we’re going to do today.
We’re going to make our own arrangement, for which we need four ingredients: a little cube with some coloured oasis in it, we’ve got three leaves – now who knows what these leaves are called? Aspidistra leaves they are. And we’ve got one of these, who knows what this is? That’s a chrysanthemum. It’s actually called ‘shamrock’ and we have some more chrysanths, which are very very tiny ones. Yeah, pink daisies! What we’re basically going to do is we’re going to start with our aspidistra leaves. So if you just get one in your hand, now you need your thumb with a long nail on it preferably, and an index finger, and we’re basically going to make a split in the bottom of the leaf, run your thumb through the leaf and then just split it like that. Now we’re going to do that a few times until we get to the top of the leaf, and we turn the leaf over to the other side, and then we’re basically going to do the same again. So when we’re finished, it looks like this. Okay? Now with the next leaf, we basically have to make sure that we cut the leaf at an angle, nice sharp angle, and we fold it over, like so. We then insert the leaf through the stem, like that, and then we fold it so that it goes like this. Okay? So we get a nice little roll going. ‘Can you do that again?’ is what I’ve heard all day? Well you’re lucky that I have two leaves so I can. Cut it at an angle, and you basically push the leaf through the stem, like so – okay, and then you fold it so that it does that. Alright? Now with our chrysanthemum, which is this big thing – what’s it called again? Shamrock. Well done. We take the leaves off, so that we have a nice clean stem left at the end and just a few leaves at the top. Now we cut that stem, and we basically pierce it straight into the centre of the oasis until it can’t go down any further. Okay, so you end up with this.
Then with the two leaves that we’ve rolled over, we cut them a bit shorter, like that, and we put one on one side, and the other one goes on the other side. Okay, and then we have this. Yeah? Now our third leaf, which is the one that we’ve shredded, basically goes into the centre, so now we have this. A lovely movement from the loose leaf – okay? Now our tiny santini chrysanthemum, we need to cut all the little stems off the side until we literally have about that much left, okay, which is the middle one at the top. That one we’re going to cut about this long, which is probably about fifteen inches I would say. Take some of the leaves off if they’re less, and that goes in the middle like so. Okay, so it’s about there. And then you have lots of little ones, which we’ve just cut off, and they’re all going to go in the bottom.
And when we’ve put them all in, our arrangement looks something like this. Okay, now you can take it home with you, for which you get given a lovely golden bag – the cube fits in the bag but it’s very tight, so you must make sure you open the bag up fully, okay, pull the draw strings, and then you just gently lower the design in the bag. You can take that away with you, and that is so simple, and you’ve tried it. Okay? Now all the proceeds that we’ve done today, are basically going to the ‘Help a Child’ charity so there is a bucket going round. We don’t ask for any money but if you want to make a donation to the charity then please do so. Thank you very much.
MN: Well that’s Dennis in action – some of the highlights from some of the demonstrations he’s been doing. And hasn’t he been brilliant? He’s really enthused people.
AC: We’ve had every single workshop booked out. They’re queuing miles back to join in, it’s fantastic.
MN: And they’re still doing it as we get into the late evening, it’s absolutely fantastic. So thank you very much indeed Dennis for all of that. Now, this corsage, before we go, because we’re almost out of time Andrea. We promised corsage – it’s kind of an old fashioned thing a corsage isn’t it? It goes back to the 50s and the 60s – but back in vogue again?
AC: I think probably back to the Victorian times of people wearing flowers, but – does that look old-fashioned to you? I think that looks pretty modern and funky.
MN: No, tres modern. Flowers in front, nice chrysanths by the way.
AC: Yeah, we’ve got some beautiful chrysanths here and lovely carnations too.
MN: Going to make me a carnation one?
AC: I think I will yes.
MN: Jolly good. What do we do for this? And what are the rules of a corsage, because corsage can be on the wrist or it can be worn.
AC: Yeah, or an armlet, certainly. Or if you, you could wear one right round your body if you felt like it!
MN: A bustier.
AC: A bustier. Well we’re going to make you a wrist one.
MN: Is this going to be for me?
AC: Yes. You’ll love it.
MN: Yeah if you say so.
AC: We’ve got some aluminium wire so it’s very light and very malleable – bendy. Purple do, or gold?
MN: Gold, yeah, to match my jewellery. Why not? Now obviously this isn’t real gold.
AC: Neither’s this so we’re alright!
MN: No. I meant that! This is! Thank you so much.
AC: Sorry. Cut to length, so about that length for a manly wrist, and then one end, bend into a loop, so you’ve got like a little…
MN: That’s a little eye loop for hooking through.
AC: And this end, you pick your carnations – so, what colour do you fancy? We’ve got some very dark ones here.
MN: Nice dark one.
AC: Yeah? That’s you there.
MN: I don’t fancy a corsage, but I’m going to do it, it’s late in the day, but for the sake of television I will do it.
AC: Oh thank you very much. You just cut, literally just behind the head, like that.
MN: Okay.
AC: So we’ll do another one here. Literally like that – two snips. Simple. Then, through this green bit’s called a callix, and it’s basically it’s the green part that holds the petals in.
MN: Yup.
AC: Push through there like that, and then we get the other one.
MN: This really should go for your other wrist really shouldn’t it, rather than mine?
AC: No, you’ll look lovely with it on I promise. So you tuck the two together, in the middle of the wire, and then for a bit of added ‘pizzazz’…
MN: And we like a bit of ‘pizzazz’.
AC: A bit of ‘pizzazz’. Get the pen – get a biro or a pencil and you just wrap around until you’ve got some coils.
MN: This is so easy – well you’re making it look easy that’s why. How many corsages have we made today?
AC: Well we’ve had little children – literally four, five, six, so if they can do it, anyone can do it.
MN: That’s a bit of ‘pizzazz’ there, I like that, and it stops the flowers moving around?
AC: Yes. So you just bend it round into a wrist thing, and make a hook, like that…
MN: This is the one and only time I’m going to wear flowers on my arm.
AC: Strap those round like that, there we go – we’ll turn that one that way, and that one that way – there we go. Oh, you’re coming apart there.
MN: Look look, it’s a bit of jewellery.
AC: Secure it there to your wrists.
MN: Are you doing some adjustments there?
AC: I am, I’m doing some adjustments round your wrist. I moved it, which was my fault. There we go.
MN: You see that’s delicate. It’s not the sort of thing, whoops.
AC: You’ve got thinner wrists than I thought there.
MN: It’s not the sort of thing that I’d walk around wearing and it’s certainly not the sort of thing I’d go down to my local in, but, guys if you want to make this for the love of your life then you can do so. Actually if they log on to www.flowers.org.uk
you can find it all on there, and you can follow the step-by-step guide to it all. It’s dead easy to do.
AC: And real men are wearing them here today.
MN: Yeah I’ve noticed that it’s a bit of a Fruitstock festival thing is it? Peace all round. Now listen, thank you for inviting us down today, it’s been a fantastic day, it must’ve been a great success for you guys.
AC: Oh we’ve been so happy, and it’s wonderful weather for it too.
MN: Sure. Well that’s it from Regents Park, on a beautiful summer’s afternoon. And a great day has been had down here, Fruitstock 2006. Thank you very much indeed for your company, and we’ll see you next time.
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